tv Charlie Rose Bloomberg September 14, 2017 6:00pm-7:00pm EDT
announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: president from posted today a bipartisan roundtable of lawmakers to discuss tax reform, health care, and infrastructure. this evening, the president will meet with house and minority senate leaders, nancy pelosi from the house and chuck schumer from the senate, to hear further input from the democratic leadership on daca and health care. theident trump tweeted that approval process for the biggest tax cut and tax reform package in the history of our country will soon begin. last night, president trump welcomed republican and democratic sen to the white house as his administration
moved forward with iran's to overhaul the nation -- with plans to overhaul the nation's tax code. senator joe manchin was among those present and he joins me now from the capital. i'm pleased to have you back after seeing you this morning. senator manchin: charlie, it's always good to be with you. i'm enjoying being with you tonight as well as this morning. charlie: take me inside the dinner last night, not only with the content and not only with who said what about what, but also your feeling about where the president's mindset is and what the atmospherics were. senator manchin: it was a very good dinner with a very lively discussion. it was very productive. this is the first time i've been invited to the white house to have a sitdown kind of semi private dinner to talk only about policy with the president. honored.y it was very rewarding to do that. there were six other colleagues of mine. we had four republicans, orrin
hatch, the dean of our delegation in that room last night. then you had john thune from south dakota. toomey.son and pat there was myself from west virginia, then heidi heitkamp from north dakota and joe donnelly from indiana. we had the president and the vice president, then we had gary cohn and steve mnuchin and some of their staff. it was all the right people to have the type of conversation we had. we had a lot of the details of what they are thinking. we had a lot of good interchange , exchange back and forth. we first started out talking as dinner was being presented about infrastructure. we talked about public-private. my input on the public-private was that a lot of people are concerned when we talk about public-private that private
companies -- they could be private corporations or private those other countries outside of the united states that might own some of our infrastructure. that gave us a lot of cause for concern. that i said, if you look at public-private as i've known it, charlie, from being a governor of the state of west virginia, you can use that and use the public-private concept to accelerate these public projects . and that's where i think that they understood and where they seemed to say, we've knowledge that and we are very conscious about not leaving any of rural america, rural west virginia or rural america behind. we were talking about that and saying all the great ideas and great innovation and creation. things are happening around the world. not only catch up, but to be a leader in this. that was a very lively discussion. we went right into tax. the first thing the president said, charlie, as we start
talking about tax cuts, tax reform, is that there is not going to be tax cuts for the wealthiest americans. he says, myself, people in my category do not need these tax cuts. that was refreshing. that's how this conversation started out. but then we have to be competitive. my taking of everything last night was the synergy was going all towards working men and women, working families that are the backbone of america, making sure they finally get a piece of this and the reductions and the tax cuts should be going toward them. everybody thinks about, when we do tax cuts, that we are going to be upside down and giving everything away. i said to the president, the most concern i have was adding more to the debt that we already have, of $20 trillion. i have 10 grandchildren. look at these beautiful children to say, hey, guess what we are
leaving you. go ahead, you will be just fine. i can't do that in all good conscience. i think the president understood my concern in my sincerity in that. i keep saying we have to be conscious of the debt that we are carrying on the debt that we might be loading on -- we are carrying and the debt that we might be loading on. we should be paying this down. charlie: you are worried about the amount of debt, the $20 trillion at we have, and the president and his party are sort of totally committed to eliminating inheritance tax or estate tax. that's a huge amount of money. senator manchin: i hope not, charlie. i took away from this meeting reasonable sit and people can come to reasonable solutions. that's something that i did not feel that anyone was wedded to. i think that, as democrats -- i believe that there should be an
inheritance. i believe there should be an exemption. what we have right now is the individual, it's a $5 million exemption. two household members is a $10 million exemption. if it stays with that or they want to change that a little bit -- but in that realm, i think that's something that would be acceptable. to exempt everybody -- that's a big cost. -- no talk about no debt new debt, we have to be looking at this and trying to find a pathway forward. i think they will be considerate towards that and that will be part of the discussion and negotiation that goes on. charlie: let me talk about three other issues. first, in terms of the corporate realm, there is the corporate tax. the administration has talked about 15%. in congress talk about 22%, 24%, 25%, something like that.
was there some sense of where it might end up last night? senator manchin: there wasn't a sense of where it ends up, but the president reaffirmed he wants 15%. i think that's too low. we had the discussion at the table last night. gary cohn and all of us, steve mnuchin, understood where we were coming from. i said we have the greatest economy in the world. for us to give up or discount ourselves to that point when the global -- the global corporate 23%age is around 21%, 22%, -- i think 25%, democrats and myself can support 25% corporate rate. i think right now, if you look at everything, all corporations, .hat we are probably in 21% it would be an increase. when they score it, they will 25 as ifeduction 35 to you lose money. that's not the case.
democrats understand territorially. we can't keep companies domiciled in the united states if we are double taxing them on what they earned here and what they are not broad -- what they earn here and what they are not broad. -- they earn abroad. companies have money parked overseas, money that they made overseas, selling their products overseas. what does the president want to do? what do democrats want to do? senator manchin: i can speak for myself and a few of us who were there talking. we understand that it has to be brought back, but there are people who have been here longer periods of time that remember when the money was brought that before from repatriation. it was brought back and given in dividends and bonuses and not put into the recs and mortars, if you will -- the brakes and mortars -- the bricks and mortars, if you will.
if we are giving you a tremendous tax break to bring it back, there should be some residuals from that. i think we can find a pathway forward on that one time money coming back, but if we do the tax code and make the changes and do it correctly, that should not happen again. territorial tax systems will prevent that from happening where they have to park their money, because we won't be charging them the same rate after they already paid their taxes wherever they made that money in other countries. charlie: what about carried interest, which is hedge funds and some of those companies pay? senator manchin: i think they all understand it has to go away. even the wall street people understand. that's been a tremendous ride for them, and it's time for that to be over. it's time for that loophole to be over. but not just that. there's going to be many loopholes. when he says "the rich," "the super wealthy" will not get tax cuts. already 9.6% is our highest rate
-- 39.6% is our highest rate in our tax code now. let's say we reduce it to 35%. that is a 4.5% credit to these people, a tax break. but we take away a lot of the incentives that you have, the write-offs, the credits that they are able to take advantage of. most of those are going to go by the wayside. at the end of the day, they are probably paying a little bit more. -- inever had a person haven't had a person in that stratosphere saying i don't want to do that. they are willing to pay. they just want to make sure that we can get a tax code that they can do business and be able to stay and live in america, be domiciled in america, and be able to compete globally. i think we can achieve all of that. charlie: generally when there's a tax cut, there's discussion of eliminating deductions or, as you say, tax credits.
what conversation is taking place about what deductions might be eliminated? the classic deduction in american life obviously is a mortgage deduction. senator manchin: i think that the prime mortgages safe. the greatest wealth of person will accumulate, most people in america, is going to be that house they own, the property they own. prime mortgage is always going to be safer and protected, i believe. charitable donations help so many people. it reaches so many corners of every community and every state. but there is an awful lot that has been piled on. vice president pence came to west virginia about a month or so ago and gave a great speech. i happened to be in the audience. he says, we have to have tax reform. he went on and on. he says the tax code is nine
times bigger than the bible, but there's no good stories. ,e said that in just -- jest and it really is true. .t has grown disproportionately the last time we made any major changes, charlie, we didn't have cell phones. charlie: 1986. senator manchin: we've got to get back and be the leaders in the 21st century, be the superpower. we can't do it with an antiquated tax system. charlie: so, tell me about his atmospherics. tell me about the tone of his voice. tell me about his ability to simply sit and listen to try to understand what you guys were saying. senator manchin: he engaged. it wasn't he just sat there. and he didn't dominate. he let everyone speak. it was a great exchange and a very comfortable setting. i've been with him, talking one-on-one. i've always had the ability to have good conversations.
we can agree to disagree. he said, joe, could i have gotten you on the health care maybe if i would have worked harder. i said, mr. president, with all due respect, i truly in my heart believe we can fix what we've got. we can repair it. i says, you can be the leader. you can be the mr. fix-it president. he came to this job in a nontraditional way, charlie. so, we had those. we can have at exchange, and it's a good exchange. it's healthy. charlie: are they going to fix obamacare rather than repeal and replace? senator manchin: i know that we can. there are some good examples. alaska has done something great in reinsurance. indiana has done something i think is very attractive in holding risk -- people responsible for their newfound wealth in health care. there are a lot of examples that are working and holding down costs and making the market more competitive. we just can't sit back and let it collapse. youhoping that happens, but
ask me his overall demeanor. it was very energetic, engaging, lively. it's not what you see on television, where people either like it or don't like it. i said this, i felt something in the room that there was a knees about the -- an ease about the president, that he felt more comfortable trying to move policy and legislation in a bipartisan way than he would if he had to move it strictly in a partisan way. i see that evolving. he's more comfortable, more engaging. he gets more excited about it. charlie: and there are more options, obviously. charlie: many more options, charlie. our founding fathers never designed this to operate the same as our house. the house basically can say we've got 51% of the votes, 218 and whether you are
a democrat in control or republican, we don't care what the other side wants. said theshington senate is like the saucer that cools the hot tea when it spills from the house. it cools it off so it can be drank. that's who we are. charlie: i think you are saying this, but i'm asking to confirm. the president also met today with tim scott. clearly he wanted to talk about charlottesville. he clearly may be having some new thoughts or second thoughts, i don't know. but he clearly seems to want to talk about that, an issue in which senator scott from south carolina, an african-american, has been critical of him. he is meeting tonight with pelosi and schumer, the democratic leaders in the senate and the house. do you feel like there has been an inflection point? senator manchin: i think -- charlie: go ahead. senator manchin: i think he
understands its communication. i don't mean this -- i'm not casting anything to the previous administration or saying anything about them, but i never had this type of engagement. i've had more engagement with this white house and this president in the 6, 7 months, eight months that they've been there than i did in the six years that i was with the previous administration. i appreciate having my words heard, my thoughts. i've been involved in public service. i've been the governor of my state, so i've gone through all of these challenges and i have a perspective. i can share my mistakes that i've made. hopefully we don't repeat them. and also see the opportunities that we have. i think he's doing exactly what needs to be done, engaging. jim scott is a beautiful human being. he is one great human being, a great man. he gets it. he came from that arena. he understands what's going on
in that culture. for the president reaching out, wanting to learn more, i think that is tremendous. reaching out to nancy and chuck, ok, and saying, listen, guys, i want to work with you. it's going to be give-and-take. what can we do?i think it will open the opportunity to have more success than you could imagine. charlie: did he talk about any mistakes he made? did he talk about the fact that he would have been better if he started with infrastructure? senator manchin: he didn't go back and rehash that. i said from day one when he was going through the transition after he had gotten elected but not sworn in, be careful of road.down the health care that's a tough one. and i can tell you infrastructure -- get your financial house in order first. if people trust you with their money, charlie, they will trust you with anything you want to do in the policy arena.
if they know you are prudent in watching their money and not just adding more debt, throwing caution to the wind, they will trust you. if they know you are fair and everyone is paying into this in a fairway and we expand the base and this country grows the way it should grow economically, then we are all doing good. i think that he is getting that. i said to him, mr. president, there is not a pothole out in west virginia or anywhere in the country that has just a democrat or republican's name on it. it has basically all of our name on it. it's our job to fix it. infrastructure touches everybody. that's a win. but you can rehash that. he is 100% committed to it. i'm going to do everything i can to work with him in a constructive way. charlie: any conversation about the dreamers and daca? senator manchin: not really. you know my thoughts on that. i've gotten a chance
-- i've spoken to him before about this. we did a massive immigration reform bill, bipartisan, democrats and republicans, in 2013 in the senate and passed it . that is a good piece of legislation. it considers all of the things we are talking about now. i don't believe we should be piece mailing it again -- piecemealing it again. let's go back and look at that. it has border security. it was great. you can't continue to repeat the problem and just think you are when thefix the facia whole roof is falling in. we've got to fix this entire problem and just taking daca -- i would like to see -- take the 2013 bill. we couldn't get it out of the house. i would hope they would take it up. charlie: finally, foreign policy. president is dealing every day with north korea. senator manchin: he is very concerned about north korea. charlie: what did he say? senator manchin: we talk about north korea.
i've been on armed services now. i'm on intel. everyone there has been briefed. we all know how critical the dangers are there. i think we are all committed. we do not believe kim jong-un should be able to have a ballistic missile that can deliver a warhead and do horrific damage to the united states of america. we've got to make sure that does not happen. charlie: how do you make sure it doesn't happen? senator manchin: you do all the diplomacy you possibly can. superpower means more than just having the military grade -- greatest military in the world. it means having the greatest ability to have super diplomacy, so china has to engage, russia has to engage, everybody in that region has to engage. we have to be for real. we can't have him being able to secure scientists and physicists to develop his programs for him.
there can't be any other countries feeding that. that's got to stop. all these things, we have got to curtail. then you hope that -- the last resort is to take whatever measures that you need to take to prevent that from happening. charlie: final question. do you believe tax reform is possible, legislation is possible before the end of this year? senator manchin: i surely do, charlie. i believe the sooner the better. it's been too long in coming. if it comes out of the box and people are saying, oh, it's just -- i can only tell you what i heard in the conversation. that's definitely not where it's going. until i see it, i can't verify that. but i know one thing, they want us to engage. they have reached out. i want to engage. i want my democrat colleagues and republican colleagues to engage. i told the president, mr. president, if we can put a bill
together that can get 30 democrats and 30 republicans, wouldn't that be wonderful? right now, we operate in this vacuum, if you will, that you have to have all of the republicans, and that's fine if we need a cloture vote. or we need 48 democrats and let's find 12 republicans. that doesn't work. we've proven that's not going to work that way. you have legislation that can bring bipartisanship. that's who we are. it should be about our country, not about the party identifications that we have and trying to protect this and i'm against you because you have a d r by your name. that's not who we are. i told him, in west virginia, mr. president, you got elected by the greatest majority that any presidential election we've ever had in our state. i can assure you, as many, if not more democrats voted for you as republicans. it can't just be all one side.
that we are going to be different? steve: steve mnuchin was with us from day one. -- the in to camp campaign early on. i think he really understood donald trump, understood the economic -- if you look at the tax program initially put forward, i thought it was quite populist. president trump made a decision as he was going through, pulling together his white house staff and his cabinet, that there was going to be a certain element, that he had to have the establishment as part of that. i think that's actually healthy, because we are not there to tear down institutions. charlie: but that's exactly what you said you wanted to do. steve: i said we wanted to pierce the permanent political class and have the american people and the american workers represented. it's not go in and pull the temple down around you from the first day. you can't do that. over time, you have to pierce that and you have to change that. it's relentless work day in and
day out. it's like these people who ran around the campaign looking for some videotape of hillary clinton. this is not going to take place in a day. this has taken 40 to 50 years to build up. you're not going to magically wave a wand -- donald trump was saying to the american public, we are going to change things and we are going to change things on day one. steve: he has changed things from day one. he's gone after the swamp. charlie: give me one thing he's done about draining the swamp, one thing. steve: the deconstruction of the administrative state. charlie: changing regulations. steve: that's part of changing the swamp. big corporations don't mind the regulations because the way it keeps small competitors out. his deconstruction of the administrative state is to make things more entrepreneurial. he has a tiger team in the white house counsel's office. his selection of gorsuch is one of the leaders of thought of the
deconstruction of the administrative state. his thoughts on the chevron decision -- i think that's the single reason he is on the supreme court. president trump has been doing this in a prudent manner. on the campaign, what was the main thing said all the time about him and national security? he is a madman. there were all those ads, he is irresponsible, he should not be allowed around the nuclear trigger. in going after the establishment, just like in national security -- charlie: it's not just those guys. it's the former national director of intelligence, james clapper, said that he might not be trusted. as an advisor to the president, he said, i worry about this guy and the nuclear button. steve: and look at what president trump has done as commander-in-chief. let's take afghanistan as an example. donald trump started the decision-making process day one. a final decision wasn't made until august. you know why? principled meeting after
principled meeting. continuing to ask questions, continuing to say, are those assumptions right, meeting with enlisted men and generals. charlie: he made a decision he did not expect to make. steve: the prudence in making that decision, just like he made the decision on firing the missile into syria, another decision i didn't agree with -- but the way he ways and balances -- put to rest all the critics have said this guy was not going to be prudent, wasn't going to weigh and measure, not be a commander in chief that could take the best advice from the generals -- let's talk about another thing. the very first thing that donald trump wanted done with general mike flynn and myself, to de they arealize the actually picking bombing targets. in effect two commanders. senate back to the pentagon, the
cia. that takes a leader. that takes someone to understand what to do as commander-in-chief. m kumbaya come all of them agreeattis, 20%. he has done more on his watch then bush and obama combined. here's been the most prudent commander-in-chief. 75 percent of his time is spent on these issues of national security. --with soft about ga everyday on tv, ripping on donald trump. these are the guys -- the bay of pigs, given missile crisis and vietnam. kennedy had three years. donald trump goes through and
sort out this mess because the national security apparatus in this country, republican and democrat combined got us into this situation since the fall of the soviet union. and i wouldmpetitor say almost an enemy in china that is running the tables on us and all they have done his stress out over the world in iss fetish of what rules-based international border which is an interlocking network relationships, military relationships. charlie: so you want to go to economic war with china? bannon: donald trump has for 30 years singled out china. the elites in this country have
got us in a situation. china is an anathema core with us. us.conomic war with aey all argued that wealthier, growing china will be capitalism china. they were dead wrong. the only thing we are debating , aseen rational economists china grows it will bigger. they --ke myself say they are treating us like they have treated surveillance for 400,000 years. -- 4000 years. we are like jamestown to their great britain. jamestown in virginia.
mr. bannon: we have a trade deficit and it would be greater unless we ship them scorpions, beef, pork, timber, coal and some boeing jets and apple products. boeing has a joint venture to build all their jets in china and apple has the cloud deal they cut. china treats us like a tributary state and here is the tribute you want. charlie: you want a trade war with china. mr. bannon: i want china to stop appropriating our technology. technologyce transfer is cutting out the beating heart of american innovation. the guys in silicon valley know this. charlie: you no longer in the
white house. there's a new chief of staff. what happened to you? were you pushed out? mr. bannon: i've known general kelly for 12 years. he's a great man. when the president asked me my opinion about the chief of staff situation, i told him. number one above all is general the mand i said he is you need. reince priebus never had a mandate that general kelly had. there were 12 the record reports from the present created president trump structure this like a trump organization. you he didental tell hisenforce with personalities. theral kelly will set up
process. 7went to general kelly august in june and july saying my when your anniversaries coming up. said hey, i'm going to put in .y resignation charlie cole and by that time, you were isolated in the white house. mr. bannon: i have the same as i had on day one. the media makes all this up. to me at theens same time. trade stuff approved under general kelly. charlie: you know like this onee house leaks like no has ever leaked. demonstration -- demonstration -- administration
leaks like no other. so bannon: -- he questions he tossed to a wide range of people. quite differently, i think that is healthy. an idea that is positive or the one thing i disagree with is i think there has been a divide. here's one group of people is doll you have to do what you're going to do in these major areas. you're going to keep your coalition together and add to it . let's try to work on things that we can do together and that way is a better way to do it. that you called
gary cohn, jared kushner and --ers there go ballistic globalistic?-- you believe that those people, in a sense, are working against the president? the people that want the president by his side because they believe in globalization. mr. bannon: they believe the presence program can be better put forward by having it more in tune with the globalist we have today and they believe that to the court of there being. done,k what jarrett has particularly in the middle east. what he has done before the saudi trip in the 55 nations has never been done in american
history. do you think of h.r. mcmaster's? mr. bannon: we cannotmr. bannon: be more diverted. website that you came from and going back to has criticism drumbeat of to the president's national security adviser. is that serving the president? mr. bannon: absolutely. the president needs to see diversion views. general mcmasters has done a good job of curating, but i was that thel from day one --ksonian foreign policy was some new people from the
national security apparatus that they were not getting a full throated defense. saying jaredou're kushner, ivanka trump to have your full support and hope they are there in the white house six and up for what they leave in? mr. bannon: i think they are perfect people. ideas, as long as they are counterbalanced, i think we'll be fine. i do believe and i told the president that if he goes to his position and fall is what he ran on and what he believes in the core of his being, not only is he going to have a massively successful first term, he will when a second term i a much margin than the first
congresstion, three in and one by robert mueller investigating russian influence the election. what do you believe? mr. bannon: it is a total farce. charlie: tencent did the russians tried to influence the election? mr. bannon: you consider maybe -- charlie: maybe? mr. bannon: have you seen the intelligence reports. charlie: are you saying those suggest?on't mr. bannon: i would never divulge classified information. that is not the question. did they tried to influence the election? that is what the investigation
is about. mr. bannon: we have to wait until the investigation is finished. bigink you're waiting for elevation -- revelation. you will be disappointed. we have the senate and house. while we wait until they finish the report? they will get it out to the public in time. i think today mitch mcconnell, paul ryan, wrap up all your work and i want to see your work before christmas. it support for the president to criticize was it hard for the president to criticize russia -- why is it hard for the resident to criticize russia? -- the soviet union collapsed in 1992.
the cold war has not ended. i don't think the president is out of his way. his point is why pick another fight. he criticizes the russians all the time. he knows they are not good guys. a naive guy. he understands the shortcomings of people. he is there a it is not the russians on something. that is another fantasy of the oppositions. mountaindo is make a .ut of a mole hill i think it was obama's program, $1 trillion to upgrade the nuclear you arsenal. spend money onr
the inner cities of this country or on another cold war? that is where we are headed in donald trump knows that. i think you try to say in world of anarchy, do we need another enemy? >> limit talk about inside the white house. -- limit talk about inside white house. james comey was fired. in this case, the media is right. i think you have to look at it as institutions. is an institution. the is an institution. the justice department is an institution. you can't get caught up in
but you have announced you want to go to war against mitch mcconnell, the leader of the senate. charlie: you said he represents an incineration purity want to go to war with paul ryan. but he did not want to go to war against james comey. contradiction? mr. bannon: mcconnell and ryan can be changed if the leadership is changed. i don't believe the leadership in the fbi could change by changing out the head of it. that if it is also sure james comey had not been fired he would not have the mueller investigation. true? i don't think
there's any doubt that if james comey had not been fired we would not have a special counsel. charlie: he would not have the mueller investigation. mr. bannon: we would not have it in the rest that clearly mr. mueller is going. charlie: do you that mr. mueller should be fired? no.bannon: me that someone said to you describe the firing of james comey. you are student of history as the biggest mistake in political history. be bannon: i would probably too bombastic for me, but maybe modern political history. charlie: the firing of james comey was a big stake in particle -- biggest mistake in modern political history. because? mr. bannon: there's nothing to
the russia investigation. it is a waste of time. charlie: if there's nothing to it and why don't you let the investigation continue. mr. bannon: i didn't say anything about the mueller investigation. .ueller has his own mandate i'm talking about the investigation on capitol hill that are empowered by republican establishment. those three investigations should have a short life. the house committee -- tummy right now who runs the house? charlie: it is the republican chairman. mr. bannon: i've had 10 people in the last two weeks they could name the guys name.
one person said i think the congressman from texas. adam schiff is in front of the media everyday. justschiff is running that like mark warner is running the senate. and it is unacceptable. if anything shows you, the republican -- the do not have the back of president of the 96 look to those committees. it is unacceptable that we have a public controlled house and senate that you have committees with open-ended minutes to come and do what they will. i'm not for shutting down the committees, giving them a specific target. they should get on with the correct otherwise, it is just a asian expedition. it is unprecedented in american history. this is how much they hold donald trump and attempt.
charlie: they? mr. bannon: the republican leadership. back?have a has charlie: when you said you had influence on the white house, but by far you have power? mr. bannon: the power is to galvanize the grassroots movement. the conservative movement in --s town in the heart-lung coalitionof this middle of the donald trump. senator kaine called the hobbits. it is the forgotten man. it is the people that hold our churches together, that coach little league.
they finally found a champion in donald trump. my purpose is to galvanize the movement. november 2016, guess what it is not over. minnesota is going to fall, colorado. and accomplishes what get 400 he will electoral votes in 2020. charlie: the republicans are trying to -- mr. bannon: mitch mcconnell and
paul ryan. charlie: to what end? to get their former colleague as president? mr. bannon: i think they are trying to get their own program instituted first. they do not want donald trump populist national agenda to be implemented. it is obvious. mcconnell, he said i think in one of the first meetings in trump tower with the president has ramping up, he said i don't want to hear anymore just drain the swamp talk. any smartcan't hire people because everyone is all over them for reporting requirements. you have to back off that. thing withhe swamp
mitch mcconnell day one. the president has brought up this thing. he is blocking all these potential -- to the other bills you have iss to mitch mcconnell letting them know in no uncertain terms he's not interested. craig you supported a primary challenger and you saw what happened in kentucky charlie:. yeah, he lost by 20 points. he's also the governor of kentucky and one of the rising stars. just like the drain the slot is not going to take the place in a month. this will take 2230 years to sort out.
put a few dents on mitch mcconnell mitch mcconnell's approval rating today in kentucky is at 18%. we're going to do his support the efforts movement down in alabama. [talking simultaneously] charlie: you go to alabama and you run different sides. mr. bannon: the president would be the first to sell you -- tell outbecause he is not come since the first round took place that he is stepping aside on that. mcconnellands that had to support the filibuster, that all his supporters --
people that are not supporting the president's agenda that are coming up for election, they are to understand day will have primaries. the grassroots movement today is looking to primary calendars. ultimately, i believe it will have -- charlie: rip apart the republican party. mr. bannon: not at all. to run grassroots is not ripping up, it is rejuvenating the republican party. the party cannot win national elections. john mccain and mitt romney showed you. it was incapable of winning national elections. and inmp coalition particularly the trump coalition in the upper midwest of working-class people shows it we